Greg Interviews Jeremy Jernigan on “Redeeming Pleasure”
Greg: Thanks for agreeing to this interview Jeremy. Having read your soon-to-be-published book Redeeming Pleasure, I’m really looking forward to its September 15 publication. Okay, to get started, suppose I’m a stranger and we meet in an elevator. I notice you have a book. I ask who wrote it and you tell me you did. I then reply, “Really? Well what is your the book about?” You’ve got 8 floors to tell me. Go!
Jeremy: Okay, here’s a play-by-play of how my answer would go…
Floor 1: I’ve learned that a lot of people think they need to choose between following God or enjoying life.
Floor 2: As a result we tend to make very bad decisions.
Floor 3: We either get a life defined by guilty pleasures or we get a dull and boring life trying to follow God.
Floor 4: But these are not our two choices.
Floor 5: Instead, what if we found a “life to the full” in the way we followed Jesus?
Floor 6: And I don’t mean health and wealth.
Floor 7: I believe we can when we reframe the conversation.
Floor 8: I think I missed my floor.
Greg: Clever boy you are! Can you tell us a little about what inspired you to address this topic and why do you think it’s so important?
Jeremy: I actually knew I wanted to write this book when I was in high school (although it was called The Deception of Pleasure at that time… in my head at least). I got tired of watching people assume God only aimed to bring us into a lifeless Christianity. If I viewed God the way they did I wouldn’t follow Him either. But God isn’t like that!
Greg: Who is this book written for, and what do you hope they’ll take away from it?
Jeremy: For a Christian reading it, I hope it would expand their view of God and reaffirm why following Jesus is worth it. For a non-Christian, I hope it would intrigue them that there’s a different way of thinking of God than they may have ever considered and that it’s worth a try to follow Jesus.
Greg: What do you think sets your book apart from other Christian books that address similar topics?
Jeremy: I offer ways to view God that tend to be the minority view in much of Christian thought today. However, many of these ideas have deep roots in the faith but are just now emerging more fully from our post-Christendom culture. This isn’t a health and wealth gospel. This is the gospel of an upside-down kingdom!
Greg: Now, in the course of unveiling why our quest for pleasure has gotten so messed you, you cover a number of interesting theological topics. Could you share some of topics you address and maybe say a word about any distinctive angle you have on them?
Jeremy: I don’t want to give too much away here, but suffice it to say that:
- You can believe in the concept of Hell without believing that God allows people to suffer for eternity. (#lovewins AND #freewillwins)
- You can believe in Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross (atonement) without believing that God is an angry, wrath-filled Father.
- You can trust God with the violence in the world without needing to resort to it yourself.
- You can live as a Christian without living under the weight of the 10 Commandments.
- You can adopt a Biblical view of homosexuality without having to shun gay people.
- You don’t have to believe that God is responsible for all the awful things in world.
Greg: Awesome! Okay, finally, what are one or two things about your book that you think might surprise most readers?
Jeremy: If you think that everything about Christianity in America is amazing, you’ll likely feel unsettled by this book. If you’ve felt in your soul that there’s something off about much of the collective Christian thought, I pray this will be a breath of fresh air. Also, our view of God matters more than we tend to realize.
Greg: Fantastic! Lord bless you and this work. I pray it impacts multitudes. So folks, I want you to know, this is not your “ordinary” Christian book. It packs a kingdom punch on so many levels! It is loaded with well-communicated and often distinctive theological insights, and yet it is immensely practical. I strongly encourage you to get this book and to tell your friends about it. If you tweet on it, use the hashtag #redeemingpleasure. And if you want to find out more about the book, go to www.redeemingpleasure.com.
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Our friend Jeremy Jernigan wrote something recently that we wanted to share with you today. Jeremy is the author of Redeeming Pleasure and Teaching Pastor at Central Christian Church in Arizona. He blogs regularly at TomorrowsReflection.com. He’s the husband to Michelle and dad to five amazing little kids. You can connect with him on Twitter,…
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